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Author:  SLF [ Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:55 am ]
Post subject:  Lemon Forum top c64 games list 2003

I just completed the compilation (don't you just love alliteration?) of the Lemon Forum c64 games top list.

Of all the games reviewed in Zzap!64 that made the top 50, only four didn't get at least Sizzler status, namely Pirates! (68%) the infamous Delta (74%), Kikstart 2 (86%) and CForce alltime #3 (or was it 2?) Laser Squad (83%).

So well done once again, Zzap!Crew.

Quote:
Here we are, at last.
This top list was made by 1 hundred and 64 top10s and 1 top1.

1. Bubble Bobble 41 257.5

2. Wizball 36 236.5
3. Impossible Mission 37 223.5
4. Paradroid 32 208.5
5. IK+ 42 206
6. Last Ninja II 29 196.5
7. Elite 29 192.5
8. The Last Ninja 28 180.5
9. Turrican II 25 171.5
10. The Great Giana Sisters 23 160

11. Boulder Dash 21 138
12. Pirates! 19 129
13. Bruce Lee 27 127.5
14. Maniac Mansion 19 121.5
15. Defender of the Crown 20 113.5
16. Ghosts?n?Goblins 18 111.5
17. Zak McKracken 17 99.5
18. Archon 17 94
19. MicroProse Soccer 18 92
20. Armalyte 14 85.5

21. Turrican 15 82
22. Creatures II 12 82
23. Delta 15 79.5
24. Rainbow Islands 14 75
25. M.U.L.E. 10 75
Ultima IV 10 75
27. Uridium 13 66.5
28. C.R.E.A.T.U.R.E.S. 12 65.5
29. H.E.R.O. 10 63.5
30. California Games 10 60.5

31. Thrust 10 59.5
32. The Bard?s Tale 9 59.5
33. International Karate 12 57.5
34. The Sentinel 9 55.5
35. Myth - History in the Making 9 54
36. Racing Destruction Set 8 53.5
37. Head over Heels 9 49
38. Green Beret 8 49
39. Pitstop II 12 48
40. Stunt Car Racer 9 48

41. Winter Games 9 47.5
42. Summer Games II 11 46.5
43. Laser Squad 7 45.5
44. Kikstart II 8 44.5
45. Mercenary 8 44
46. World Games 9 43.5
47. Katakis 8 43
48. Nebulus 7 42
49. The New Zealand Story 6 42
50. Wasteland 5 40

First digit is number of people who voted for the game, second is number of points earned.

In total 507 c64 games were voted for.

Game voted for by most people was IK+ (42) followed by Bubble Bobble (41) then Impossible Mission (37).

Games that _didn't_ make the top 101, voted for by most people, were: Wizard of Wor, The Detective Game, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Gateway to Apshai, Ghostbusters, Turbo Out Run, Pool of Radiance, Ultimate Wizard, Who Dares Wins II, Law of the West, Lazy Jones and Leaderboard Executive, all conquering 4 people preferences.

Here are the games 51-100:

51. Commando 8 39
Krakout 8 39
53. Dropzone 7 38
54. Airborne Ranger 6 37
Montezuma?s Revenge 6 37
56. The Way of the Exploding Fist 8 36.5
57. Legacy of the Ancients 7 36
58. Jumpman 6 36
59. Rick Dangerous 5 36
60. Last Ninja III 5 35.5

61. Alter Ego 6 34
62. Buggy Boy 9 33.5
63. Bard?s Tale III 5 33.5
Hawkeye 5 33.5
65. Space Taxi 8 32.5
66. Forbidden Forest 6 32.5
67. Fist II 7 32
68. Emlyn Hughes International Soccer 6 32
69. Mayhem in Monsterland 7 31
70. Ghouls?n?Ghosts 5 31
Impossible Mission II 5 31

72. Raid Over Moscow 5 28.5
73. Gunship 4 26.5
74. Summer Games 6 26
75. Dan Dare 5 25.5
76. Blue Max 5 25
Ultima V 5 25
78. Fort Apocalypse 5 24.5
79. The Castles of Dr. Creep 3 24
80. Salamander 4 23
Space Rogue 4 23

82. I.O. 3 23
PSI-5 Trading Company 3 23
Speedball 3 23
85. Arkanoid 6 22
86. Turbo Charge 4 22
87. Monty on the Run 4 21.5
88. Questron 3 21.5
89. Rambo: 1st Blood part II 4 21
90. Mail Order Monsters 4 20

91. Bionic Commando 3 20
Lords of Midnight 3 20
Matchday II 3 20
Skate or Die! 3 20
95. Leaderboard 4 19.5
96. TR.A.Z. 3 19.5
97. Flimbo?s Quest 4 19
98. Jumpman jr. 3 19
Times of Lore 3 19
100. Barbarian - The Ultimate Warrior 5 18.5
Speedball II 5 18.5

Author:  Ant [ Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:27 am ]
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Great work, SLF.

Pity that Ghostbusters didn't make it in (it's a great game ... really! :D ), but I'm happy to see PSI-5 get in there at 83. Yay!

I'd love for some of the unsung greats make it into one of these lists someday -- Braybrook's Morpheus and Walker's Citadel are superb games but are greatly under-appreciated.

Rant over.

Author:  SLF [ Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:37 pm ]
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Ant wrote:
Great work, SLF.

Pity that Ghostbusters didn't make it in (it's a great game ... really! :D ), but I'm happy to see PSI-5 get in there at 83. Yay!

I'd love for some of the unsung greats make it into one of these lists someday -- Braybrook's Morpheus and Walker's Citadel are superb games but are greatly under-appreciated.

Rant over.


Thanks! :)
I absolutely agree about Citadel, a forgotten Classic (not about Ghostbusters, but there you go).
I'm pretty happy with the results myself, but of course there are some games that shouldn't be up there (i.e. Microprose Soccer, Ghosts'n'Goblins [controversial]) and other c64 defining titles amazingly left out (Project: Stealth Fighter, Hunter's Moon, Spindizzy)...
Tastes, tastes...

Author:  CraigGrannell [ Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:45 pm ]
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I agree about Microprose Soccer. Mind you, I don't see how it got 90% at the time (and I'm guessing Gordo won't be able to enlighten us on this one!) :)

Author:  Lloyd Mangram [ Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:59 pm ]
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Personally, I do understand why it's (microprose soccer) in: I bought it and I loved it, and I've played it for quite some time. It's not THAT classic though, I admit. But certainly it has historical value being the predecessor to Sensible Soccer. And now THAT was truly a great game.
But I'm really happy that Matchday II just got in. :D
Ta!
Rob

Author:  gordon [ Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:55 am ]
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CraigGrannell wrote:
I agree about Microprose Soccer. Mind you, I don't see how it got 90% at the time (and I'm guessing Gordo won't be able to enlighten us on this one!) :)


I'm a confused old man who can't remember where he put his shoes last night. As for Spindizzy and Hunter's Moon being left out -- all I can say is :shock: And Thrust at 31? Pah! ;)

btw, don't forget the Zzap!#107 Top 50 of all time at The Burrow (where, Ant, Psi-5 reached the dizzy heights of 46th place): http://www.the-burrow.freeserve.co.uk/z ... top50.html

:)

g.

Author:  Lloyd Mangram [ Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:53 pm ]
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Hi folks,
what I like to know is how many people participated in the Lemon top 100.
And how many in that Zzap top 50? (wasn't it something like 800?)
Personally I like the face of the top 50 better. Nice and tidy. Could be psychological though. :wink:

Elite on 3 & 7 in both charts? Are there people out there who actually played it and enjoyed it, or do they all put it in their lists because they 'think' it should be?

Mm...

Author:  Ant [ Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:32 pm ]
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gordon wrote:
where, Ant, Psi-5 reached the dizzy heights of 46th place)

Ah, yes. Warms the cockles, that does. Thanks for the reminder about the 107 Top 50, Gordo. :)

biggestjim wrote:
Elite on 3 & 7 in both charts? Are there people out there who actually played it and enjoyed it, or do they all put it in their lists because they 'think' it should be?

Count me as one who has played it and enjoyed it, biggestjim. I still haven't played a space exploration game that matches the feeling of playing Elite (though I hear X2 may be a contender). Sure, like me Elite's aged somewhat but even taking into account my jaded cynicism Elite's a masterpiece.

Author:  SLF [ Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:20 pm ]
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biggestjim wrote:
Hi folks,
what I like to know is how many people participated in the Lemon top 100.
And how many in that Zzap top 50? (wasn't it something like 800?)
Personally I like the face of the top 50 better. Nice and tidy. Could be psychological though. :wink:


165 people on Lemon (as written on top of the list), whilst, according to The Burrow, more than 300 for Zzap!107.

Personally on the whole I like the Lemon one more, since I'm a prevalent 1987-89 c64er, and the other chart has a 1984-86 big feeling to it (plus it lacks Rainbow Islands, IK+, Nebulus, Stunt Car Racer...). Not that it's not a great list, though.

On the subject of Microprose Soccer, I have played and enjoyed the game back then (more than EHIS and Match Day 2, and I liked both of them too), but after you have put your hands on, say, Kick Off 2 on the Amiga I don't see how you could want to have another go at the former...

On the subject of Elite, if I had the time, I would thoroughly check it, 'cause I enjoyed a LOT Space Rogue (one of my absolute faves, in fact). There are a lot of real fans of c64 Elite on Lemon.

Author:  CraigGrannell [ Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:48 pm ]
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Microprose Soccer was one of those games I enjoyed for a few days, but after you realise there's only two ways to score against the top teams, it becomes a drag. I could win the World Cup every time, playing Oman... (And this wasn't a case of "exploiting" trick, like in EHIS - it really was the only way to score, but pretty much guaranteed each time. Bad AI.)

Author:  Lloyd Mangram [ Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:14 pm ]
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Oh yes, you got a point here Craig.
Now I remember for example the 'diagonal' shots and all that.
It's true, against the computer it wasn't much, but in two player mode it was a lot better. (I always had difficulties beating Brazil though, even with Holland...in that sense it was quite realistic, ha!)
Oh well, it had a nice (Galway) tune, very upbeat.
(btw, NOT the music you heard while you were flicking through the options, that tune was making me crazy!)
Ta!
Rob

Author:  salem [ Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:06 pm ]
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I could always see that Elite was a great game with a lot more depth than most other games at the time, but I couldn't play it cos it was too hard. :(

Author:  Famous Mortimer [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:45 pm ]
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Agreed that Paradroid is my favourite C64 game of all time, if I'd voted in the poll I'd have put it no.1. I always had to cheat on Elite to get a docking computer as I crashed every single time I went from Lave to Zaonce (I didn't even have to look the names of the planets, that's how much I played it).

"The Sentinel" is a bit low though, in the Lemon poll, innit? And "Head Over Heels" is way low...that was a hell of a game.

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