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 Post subject: My C64 memories
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:17 pm 
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Hello! I've been a member of the forum for years and I have read, I reckon, pretty much every word of the website now. I can't thank Iain enough for the hard work - you have given me and many others a hell of a lot of enjoyment. I've never really introduced myself or brought much to the table in the forum before so I thought I'd make a contribution.

I came to the Commodore 64 late. My parents bought me one in about 1989. I'd have been 10. I'd always shown an interest in computers but my Mum and Dad hadn't been able to afford one, so the event of actually getting a C64 is a really fond memory. All my friends had Amstrad CPCs. Ha!

Dad started getting Zzap! 64 for me every month straight away. I used to really enjoy Lloyd Mangram (he's real to me) and Phil King. But even as a kid I realised the Lucy Hickman era was abysmal. I read somewhere that they were going for a younger audience with that era of Zzap. I guess I'd have been a younger reader, though, and didn't like it at all. It just had a really nasty tone, especially the letters pages. We started getting Commodore Format at launch, which I think actually was much better than the very late Zzaps. You can see that during the Hickman era they were even copying CF a little bit.

My favourite games were Midnight Resistance and Bounder, the latter of which I think came on a Commodore Format covertape. I also remember buying a few games on cartridge when the C64GS appeared. I was disappointed: I don't know what I was expecting, but Chase HQ 2 and Navy Seals looked pretty but weren't much fun. The game I looked forward to buying most was Creatures 2. When I finally was able to get it, I thought the graphics were amazing but that it was really tough to finish. Oh, and remember the Creatures cheat mode where you had to lick your finger and rub it over joystick port 2 or something? Genius.

And then, of course, came Commodore Force! The first few, buoyed I suppose by Mayhem/Lemmings, I really liked. That issue with a review of both games, plus Alien 3, was excellent. We went on holiday to America and I remember reading every word on the plane. Whilst I agree Force was terrible by the very end, those first few issues I really did enjoy.

Anyway, I wonder how you guys feel about videogames these days? I eventually got a SNES with Super Mario World as an "upgrade" from my '64. No word of a lie, after about 6 months I was using my '64 again! There's a six month gap in my collection of '64 games/magazines, literally, and then I returned. I felt that the games of that era were basically the same as the old 8 bit ones, except a bit nicer looking. There were some standout games - like Mario Kart - but an awful lot of dross. These days, though, I have a PS3 and Xbox and I don't think any old '64 games can truly hold a candle to, say, the depth of Uncharted 2. I have tried a few games on emulator, but prefer to keep the memories of my Commodore 64 games as exactly those - memories.

I wasn't a happy kid but my '64, and Zzap!/Commodore Format, are really warm happy recollections. Running (literally!) to the shop to get the latest issue and try the covertape...birthday money that I used for full price games (a rare treat!)...and I even got a letter in a very late issue of CF.

I'm able to relive all of this via your website, Iain. I'm now in my 30s, married, and living in Dubai. You might like or be amused to know I've read an awful lot of the website and scans on my tablet computer on Dubai Metro to pass the time! I'm a journalist - I even get to write about games sometimes, which I love! - and I visit your forums often. I've found out a great deal more about a machine and magazine I loved very much through you. The contributions from James Price, Steve Jarrett and Gordo are brilliant.

Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: My C64 memories
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:28 pm 
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Thanks for that. Always good to know that the site is appreciate.

I was actually reading James' messages recently enough and they were great. A detailed insight into those last few months at Commodore Force, he was very hard on himself though. CForce was certainly a great deal better than the Lucy era Zzap.


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 Post subject: Re: My C64 memories
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:30 pm 
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I agree re: James Price. Wasn't he editor at the age of 18? I couldn't have written a shopping list at 18, never mind edited a magazine. And there were some cracking features in some of the CFs - the "Games That Weren't" feature that spawned Frank Gasking's website for example. It is, as James says, easy to look back now and say they should have been doing stuff on homebrew games and the scene in Europe. But you do wonder why nobody was getting in touch to tell them about it.

At least only the final couple of Commodore Forces were TOTALLY naff. I read that the issue that went to the printers but was never published would have been about 32 pages. Looking at what happened to Commodore Format as its page count (and staff) were reduced, perhaps Force leaving us when it did was a good thing. I can't read those very last few Commodore Formats now - painful!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:51 pm 
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I agree re: James Price. Wasn't he editor at the age of 18? I couldn't have written a shopping list at 18, never mind edited a magazine. And there were some cracking features in some of the CFs - the "Games That Weren't" feature that spawned Frank Gasking's website for example. It is, as James says, easy to look back now and say they should have been doing stuff on homebrew games and the scene in Europe. But you do wonder why nobody was getting in touch to tell them about it.

At least only the final couple of Commodore Forces were TOTALLY naff. I read that the issue that went to the printers but was never published would have been about 32 pages. Looking at what happened to Commodore Format as its page count (and staff) were reduced, perhaps Force leaving us when it did was a good thing. I can't read those very last few Commodore Formats now - painful!


You try writing for both of them and not knowing if you are going to get paid...

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 Post subject: Re: My C64 memories
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:24 pm 
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Not being paid for Force, with the publisher going down the tubes, is one thing. But not being paid for Commodore Format - really? In my (admittedly much more recent) experience with Future, they pay in full and on time.

By the way, Prof - just looking at your C64 book. Looks neat. I am ordering a copy!


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Not being paid for Force, with the publisher going down the tubes, is one thing. But not being paid for Commodore Format - really? In my (admittedly much more recent) experience with Future, they pay in full and on time.

By the way, Prof - just looking at your C64 book. Looks neat. I am ordering a copy!


Yes, but it was an anxious wait for the final cheque to arrive.

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