The Def Guide to Zzap!64

The Zzap Rrap

It is currently Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:01 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:55 am 
Offline
Freelancer
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:14 am
Posts: 68
Location: Genova, Italy
I just completed the compilation (don't you just love alliteration?) of the Lemon Forum c64 games top list.

Of all the games reviewed in Zzap!64 that made the top 50, only four didn't get at least Sizzler status, namely Pirates! (68%) the infamous Delta (74%), Kikstart 2 (86%) and CForce alltime #3 (or was it 2?) Laser Squad (83%).

So well done once again, Zzap!Crew.

Quote:
Here we are, at last.
This top list was made by 1 hundred and 64 top10s and 1 top1.

1. Bubble Bobble 41 257.5

2. Wizball 36 236.5
3. Impossible Mission 37 223.5
4. Paradroid 32 208.5
5. IK+ 42 206
6. Last Ninja II 29 196.5
7. Elite 29 192.5
8. The Last Ninja 28 180.5
9. Turrican II 25 171.5
10. The Great Giana Sisters 23 160

11. Boulder Dash 21 138
12. Pirates! 19 129
13. Bruce Lee 27 127.5
14. Maniac Mansion 19 121.5
15. Defender of the Crown 20 113.5
16. Ghosts?n?Goblins 18 111.5
17. Zak McKracken 17 99.5
18. Archon 17 94
19. MicroProse Soccer 18 92
20. Armalyte 14 85.5

21. Turrican 15 82
22. Creatures II 12 82
23. Delta 15 79.5
24. Rainbow Islands 14 75
25. M.U.L.E. 10 75
Ultima IV 10 75
27. Uridium 13 66.5
28. C.R.E.A.T.U.R.E.S. 12 65.5
29. H.E.R.O. 10 63.5
30. California Games 10 60.5

31. Thrust 10 59.5
32. The Bard?s Tale 9 59.5
33. International Karate 12 57.5
34. The Sentinel 9 55.5
35. Myth - History in the Making 9 54
36. Racing Destruction Set 8 53.5
37. Head over Heels 9 49
38. Green Beret 8 49
39. Pitstop II 12 48
40. Stunt Car Racer 9 48

41. Winter Games 9 47.5
42. Summer Games II 11 46.5
43. Laser Squad 7 45.5
44. Kikstart II 8 44.5
45. Mercenary 8 44
46. World Games 9 43.5
47. Katakis 8 43
48. Nebulus 7 42
49. The New Zealand Story 6 42
50. Wasteland 5 40

First digit is number of people who voted for the game, second is number of points earned.

In total 507 c64 games were voted for.

Game voted for by most people was IK+ (42) followed by Bubble Bobble (41) then Impossible Mission (37).

Games that _didn't_ make the top 101, voted for by most people, were: Wizard of Wor, The Detective Game, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Gateway to Apshai, Ghostbusters, Turbo Out Run, Pool of Radiance, Ultimate Wizard, Who Dares Wins II, Law of the West, Lazy Jones and Leaderboard Executive, all conquering 4 people preferences.

Here are the games 51-100:

51. Commando 8 39
Krakout 8 39
53. Dropzone 7 38
54. Airborne Ranger 6 37
Montezuma?s Revenge 6 37
56. The Way of the Exploding Fist 8 36.5
57. Legacy of the Ancients 7 36
58. Jumpman 6 36
59. Rick Dangerous 5 36
60. Last Ninja III 5 35.5

61. Alter Ego 6 34
62. Buggy Boy 9 33.5
63. Bard?s Tale III 5 33.5
Hawkeye 5 33.5
65. Space Taxi 8 32.5
66. Forbidden Forest 6 32.5
67. Fist II 7 32
68. Emlyn Hughes International Soccer 6 32
69. Mayhem in Monsterland 7 31
70. Ghouls?n?Ghosts 5 31
Impossible Mission II 5 31

72. Raid Over Moscow 5 28.5
73. Gunship 4 26.5
74. Summer Games 6 26
75. Dan Dare 5 25.5
76. Blue Max 5 25
Ultima V 5 25
78. Fort Apocalypse 5 24.5
79. The Castles of Dr. Creep 3 24
80. Salamander 4 23
Space Rogue 4 23

82. I.O. 3 23
PSI-5 Trading Company 3 23
Speedball 3 23
85. Arkanoid 6 22
86. Turbo Charge 4 22
87. Monty on the Run 4 21.5
88. Questron 3 21.5
89. Rambo: 1st Blood part II 4 21
90. Mail Order Monsters 4 20

91. Bionic Commando 3 20
Lords of Midnight 3 20
Matchday II 3 20
Skate or Die! 3 20
95. Leaderboard 4 19.5
96. TR.A.Z. 3 19.5
97. Flimbo?s Quest 4 19
98. Jumpman jr. 3 19
Times of Lore 3 19
100. Barbarian - The Ultimate Warrior 5 18.5
Speedball II 5 18.5

_________________
My top games: 1.Hawkeye, 2.Delta, 3.Creatures 2, 4.Armalyte, 5.Bubble Bobble, 6.Uridium, 7.Ikari Warriors, 8.Bionic Commando, 9.Buggy Boy, 10.Archon.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:27 am 
Offline
Sub Editor
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:47 pm
Posts: 211
Location: Brisvegas
Great work, SLF.

Pity that Ghostbusters didn't make it in (it's a great game ... really! :D ), but I'm happy to see PSI-5 get in there at 83. Yay!

I'd love for some of the unsung greats make it into one of these lists someday -- Braybrook's Morpheus and Walker's Citadel are superb games but are greatly under-appreciated.

Rant over.

_________________
"Isn't this where ... we came in?"


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:37 pm 
Offline
Freelancer
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:14 am
Posts: 68
Location: Genova, Italy
Ant wrote:
Great work, SLF.

Pity that Ghostbusters didn't make it in (it's a great game ... really! :D ), but I'm happy to see PSI-5 get in there at 83. Yay!

I'd love for some of the unsung greats make it into one of these lists someday -- Braybrook's Morpheus and Walker's Citadel are superb games but are greatly under-appreciated.

Rant over.


Thanks! :)
I absolutely agree about Citadel, a forgotten Classic (not about Ghostbusters, but there you go).
I'm pretty happy with the results myself, but of course there are some games that shouldn't be up there (i.e. Microprose Soccer, Ghosts'n'Goblins [controversial]) and other c64 defining titles amazingly left out (Project: Stealth Fighter, Hunter's Moon, Spindizzy)...
Tastes, tastes...

_________________
My top games: 1.Hawkeye, 2.Delta, 3.Creatures 2, 4.Armalyte, 5.Bubble Bobble, 6.Uridium, 7.Ikari Warriors, 8.Bionic Commando, 9.Buggy Boy, 10.Archon.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:45 pm 
Offline
King of Zzap Towers
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:45 pm
Posts: 605
Location: UK
I agree about Microprose Soccer. Mind you, I don't see how it got 90% at the time (and I'm guessing Gordo won't be able to enlighten us on this one!) :)

_________________
http://www.craiggrannell.com | http://www.projectnoise.co.uk


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:59 pm 
Offline
King of Ludlow
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:22 pm
Posts: 1137
Location: Ludlow
Personally, I do understand why it's (microprose soccer) in: I bought it and I loved it, and I've played it for quite some time. It's not THAT classic though, I admit. But certainly it has historical value being the predecessor to Sensible Soccer. And now THAT was truly a great game.
But I'm really happy that Matchday II just got in. :D
Ta!
Rob

_________________
Once again I emerge from beneath a massive pile of paper which makes my desk groan to bring you the world’s most amazing posts.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:55 am 
Offline
Director
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:15 pm
Posts: 408
Location: in that tree, over there
CraigGrannell wrote:
I agree about Microprose Soccer. Mind you, I don't see how it got 90% at the time (and I'm guessing Gordo won't be able to enlighten us on this one!) :)


I'm a confused old man who can't remember where he put his shoes last night. As for Spindizzy and Hunter's Moon being left out -- all I can say is :shock: And Thrust at 31? Pah! ;)

btw, don't forget the Zzap!#107 Top 50 of all time at The Burrow (where, Ant, Psi-5 reached the dizzy heights of 46th place): http://www.the-burrow.freeserve.co.uk/z ... top50.html

:)

g.

_________________
The Burrow


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:53 pm 
Offline
King of Ludlow
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:22 pm
Posts: 1137
Location: Ludlow
Hi folks,
what I like to know is how many people participated in the Lemon top 100.
And how many in that Zzap top 50? (wasn't it something like 800?)
Personally I like the face of the top 50 better. Nice and tidy. Could be psychological though. :wink:

Elite on 3 & 7 in both charts? Are there people out there who actually played it and enjoyed it, or do they all put it in their lists because they 'think' it should be?

Mm...

_________________
Once again I emerge from beneath a massive pile of paper which makes my desk groan to bring you the world’s most amazing posts.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:32 pm 
Offline
Sub Editor
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:47 pm
Posts: 211
Location: Brisvegas
gordon wrote:
where, Ant, Psi-5 reached the dizzy heights of 46th place)

Ah, yes. Warms the cockles, that does. Thanks for the reminder about the 107 Top 50, Gordo. :)

biggestjim wrote:
Elite on 3 & 7 in both charts? Are there people out there who actually played it and enjoyed it, or do they all put it in their lists because they 'think' it should be?

Count me as one who has played it and enjoyed it, biggestjim. I still haven't played a space exploration game that matches the feeling of playing Elite (though I hear X2 may be a contender). Sure, like me Elite's aged somewhat but even taking into account my jaded cynicism Elite's a masterpiece.

_________________
"Isn't this where ... we came in?"


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:20 pm 
Offline
Freelancer
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:14 am
Posts: 68
Location: Genova, Italy
biggestjim wrote:
Hi folks,
what I like to know is how many people participated in the Lemon top 100.
And how many in that Zzap top 50? (wasn't it something like 800?)
Personally I like the face of the top 50 better. Nice and tidy. Could be psychological though. :wink:


165 people on Lemon (as written on top of the list), whilst, according to The Burrow, more than 300 for Zzap!107.

Personally on the whole I like the Lemon one more, since I'm a prevalent 1987-89 c64er, and the other chart has a 1984-86 big feeling to it (plus it lacks Rainbow Islands, IK+, Nebulus, Stunt Car Racer...). Not that it's not a great list, though.

On the subject of Microprose Soccer, I have played and enjoyed the game back then (more than EHIS and Match Day 2, and I liked both of them too), but after you have put your hands on, say, Kick Off 2 on the Amiga I don't see how you could want to have another go at the former...

On the subject of Elite, if I had the time, I would thoroughly check it, 'cause I enjoyed a LOT Space Rogue (one of my absolute faves, in fact). There are a lot of real fans of c64 Elite on Lemon.

_________________
My top games: 1.Hawkeye, 2.Delta, 3.Creatures 2, 4.Armalyte, 5.Bubble Bobble, 6.Uridium, 7.Ikari Warriors, 8.Bionic Commando, 9.Buggy Boy, 10.Archon.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:48 pm 
Offline
King of Zzap Towers
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:45 pm
Posts: 605
Location: UK
Microprose Soccer was one of those games I enjoyed for a few days, but after you realise there's only two ways to score against the top teams, it becomes a drag. I could win the World Cup every time, playing Oman... (And this wasn't a case of "exploiting" trick, like in EHIS - it really was the only way to score, but pretty much guaranteed each time. Bad AI.)

_________________
http://www.craiggrannell.com | http://www.projectnoise.co.uk


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:14 pm 
Offline
King of Ludlow
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:22 pm
Posts: 1137
Location: Ludlow
Oh yes, you got a point here Craig.
Now I remember for example the 'diagonal' shots and all that.
It's true, against the computer it wasn't much, but in two player mode it was a lot better. (I always had difficulties beating Brazil though, even with Holland...in that sense it was quite realistic, ha!)
Oh well, it had a nice (Galway) tune, very upbeat.
(btw, NOT the music you heard while you were flicking through the options, that tune was making me crazy!)
Ta!
Rob

_________________
Once again I emerge from beneath a massive pile of paper which makes my desk groan to bring you the world’s most amazing posts.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:06 pm 
Offline
Techno Teaboy

Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:53 am
Posts: 21
I could always see that Elite was a great game with a lot more depth than most other games at the time, but I couldn't play it cos it was too hard. :(


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:45 pm 
Offline
Techno Teaboy
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:47 pm
Posts: 22
Agreed that Paradroid is my favourite C64 game of all time, if I'd voted in the poll I'd have put it no.1. I always had to cheat on Elite to get a docking computer as I crashed every single time I went from Lave to Zaonce (I didn't even have to look the names of the planets, that's how much I played it).

"The Sentinel" is a bit low though, in the Lemon poll, innit? And "Head Over Heels" is way low...that was a hell of a game.

_________________
"The rich will do everything for the poor except get off their backs" - Karl Marx


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group