Issue 108 - Uh-oh ...
Issue 108 - Uh-oh ...
Suddenly I'm very, very afraid ...
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Aaaargh! 98 pages!iain wrote:I think Craig might disagree though, it would take a lot of time to layout and design a 98 page magazine, but if he starts now, I'm sure he could get it done
Part-subbing 32 took me three months!
Still, it's a nice idea, particularly if we get a *really* long deadline... But why don't we wait and see what ideas come up, and how many reviews there are, etc? I also like the idea of calling it the definitive and absolutely final ever Zzap!
Even so, I'll commit myself here and now to doing something on the mag -- it'd be nice if someone else could edit it, but I doubt anyone's stupid enough. In any case, I'd love to do the Scorelord, etc again -- maybe with a reader challenge this time.
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Yeap, reader challenge is a must, maybe linked to one of the Back in TIme Live events.
That should fill up a couple of pages anyway! I'm afraid you'd have to come out of the house to join us for it though! ;-o
Another thing I was thinking about, people having to pay a little for ads to appear in it this time, the money from which would go towards offsetting some of the printing costs. Does that sound like a good and fair idea?
That should fill up a couple of pages anyway! I'm afraid you'd have to come out of the house to join us for it though! ;-o
Another thing I was thinking about, people having to pay a little for ads to appear in it this time, the money from which would go towards offsetting some of the printing costs. Does that sound like a good and fair idea?
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Never! I refuse to move beyond the boundaries of my garden!iain wrote:That should fill up a couple of pages anyway! I'm afraid you'd have to come out of the house to join us for it though! ;-o
Sounds fair to me -- might help more people buy it, if it's cheaper as a result of persuading advertisers to pay something. Worth a try, anyway.iain wrote:Another thing I was thinking about, people having to pay a little for ads to appear in it this time, the money from which would go towards offsetting some of the printing costs. Does that sound like a good and fair idea?
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Sounds fair to me -- might help more people buy it, if it's cheaper as a result of persuading advertisers to pay something. Worth a try, anyway.gordon wrote:Never! I refuse to move beyond the boundaries of my garden!iain wrote:That should fill up a couple of pages anyway! I'm afraid you'd have to come out of the house to join us for it though! ;-o
iain wrote:Another thing I was thinking about, people having to pay a little for ads to appear in it this time, the money from which would go towards offsetting some of the printing costs. Does that sound like a good and fair idea?
g.
btw, I think I'll start a new thread asking who wants to work on z108...
what were you trying to do with that last message? &-)
Re the paying for ads. Considering that the full colour adverts in issue 107 probably actually cost the readers to view them since it make the mag a little bigger and prob added to printing costs!
Who was the advertising director? I hope we sacked him!
Re the paying for ads. Considering that the full colour adverts in issue 107 probably actually cost the readers to view them since it make the mag a little bigger and prob added to printing costs!
Who was the advertising director? I hope we sacked him!
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98 pages? Yeah, right. I'm trying to restrain myself from saying something really rude right now, (a four-letter word followed by a three-letter one)...
[puts on negative, serious and grumpy hat]
I'm pretty certain very few people, including many of those who were involved in Zzap!64 107, actually realise just how many hours Gordo, Gaz and I put into the project. For me, the layout alone took about two *solid weeks* of work, and the cover another day or two. Then on top of that, I was subbing the thing, too (although Gordo did a lot of that).
Sorry, but 98 pages just isn't remotely realistic or viable, even with two years of planning. Also, what's the point in doing something with such a long deadline? Most stuff will be out of date by the time we get around to printing/releasing it. 98 pages also 100% restricts it to print, rather than PDF. We got thousands of downloads, but struggled to sell just 200 printed issues. I think we should stick to 32 pages, perhaps 50 at the very most.
Also, I'm still not convinced of the need for 108 at all. 107 was lovely - a one-off item which was well done and the last Zzap!64 ever. 108 will destroy that utterly, being the last ever issue... again. The interest will be much less than last time, and (conversely) at least some people will be clamouring for 109, 110 (and so on)...
Art-wise, the Oli pic I used for the basis of the cover was totally non-Newsfield, the likes of which we will struggle to find again. (It was a Rogue Trooper pic from 2000ad, recoloured and combined with other Oli work.)
Deadlines were also a major problem last time, which caused me no end of headaches and really messed up my schedule for a week or so (not good when you're a freelancer).
[takes off hat]
That said, if it happens, I'll do the design. That aspect of it was my baby, and I have some templates that should speed it up a little. However, I would suggest at the absolute maximum that there should be 50 pages, and even then I'd need a six-month lead time, with stuff coming in *regularly* over that time. If people end up mucking about with deadlines like last time, I'd be tempted to just say sod it and walk away.
Being realistic, there's almost no chance of getting anyone to pay for adverts in this sort of mag, despite Edge Retro and GamesTM grabbing the sort of space we're aiming at.
Right, I'm off to kick a wombat.
[puts on negative, serious and grumpy hat]
I'm pretty certain very few people, including many of those who were involved in Zzap!64 107, actually realise just how many hours Gordo, Gaz and I put into the project. For me, the layout alone took about two *solid weeks* of work, and the cover another day or two. Then on top of that, I was subbing the thing, too (although Gordo did a lot of that).
Sorry, but 98 pages just isn't remotely realistic or viable, even with two years of planning. Also, what's the point in doing something with such a long deadline? Most stuff will be out of date by the time we get around to printing/releasing it. 98 pages also 100% restricts it to print, rather than PDF. We got thousands of downloads, but struggled to sell just 200 printed issues. I think we should stick to 32 pages, perhaps 50 at the very most.
Also, I'm still not convinced of the need for 108 at all. 107 was lovely - a one-off item which was well done and the last Zzap!64 ever. 108 will destroy that utterly, being the last ever issue... again. The interest will be much less than last time, and (conversely) at least some people will be clamouring for 109, 110 (and so on)...
Art-wise, the Oli pic I used for the basis of the cover was totally non-Newsfield, the likes of which we will struggle to find again. (It was a Rogue Trooper pic from 2000ad, recoloured and combined with other Oli work.)
Deadlines were also a major problem last time, which caused me no end of headaches and really messed up my schedule for a week or so (not good when you're a freelancer).
[takes off hat]
That said, if it happens, I'll do the design. That aspect of it was my baby, and I have some templates that should speed it up a little. However, I would suggest at the absolute maximum that there should be 50 pages, and even then I'd need a six-month lead time, with stuff coming in *regularly* over that time. If people end up mucking about with deadlines like last time, I'd be tempted to just say sod it and walk away.
Cheeky git.Who was the advertising director? I hope we sacked him!
Being realistic, there's almost no chance of getting anyone to pay for adverts in this sort of mag, despite Edge Retro and GamesTM grabbing the sort of space we're aiming at.
Right, I'm off to kick a wombat.
Em okay, 98 pages might be a little obtimistic then, the .pdf would be quite big. I guess it would cost more to print as well.
As for the ads issue. If a website is going to have a big full page ad in the magazine, surely they could pay <£50?
I'm only going to print 100 issues in total next time anyway. I still have 50+ issues here from the second run and I'm deeply out of pocket for them at the moment Not good when I haven't had a job for 3 months Still, I guess they'll sell soon enough!
As for the ads issue. If a website is going to have a big full page ad in the magazine, surely they could pay <£50?
I'm only going to print 100 issues in total next time anyway. I still have 50+ issues here from the second run and I'm deeply out of pocket for them at the moment Not good when I haven't had a job for 3 months Still, I guess they'll sell soon enough!
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Maybe Chris at C64Audio might, but I really can't think of anyone else who would, especially if only 100 issues are going to be printed! Maybe if it's still a PDF, with the possibility of hundreds of downloads. Mind you, this time we need a mechanism to enable such a download...iain wrote:As for the ads issue. If a website is going to have a big full page ad in the magazine, surely they could pay <£50?
With regards to your remaining issues, why not put one on eBay? The last one went for, what, £25? Sell a half dozen of those and you should have most of your money back...
FWIW, I might grab another one, seeing as the last one got partly mashed in the mail (well, so long as you send it in a very hard cardboard envelope!)